tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post108540250586502865..comments2024-03-04T05:55:35.225-05:00Comments on Vital Remnants: Review of "Expelled" by author who didn't see the movie touted at more anti-ID blogsMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-52764430594457292252008-05-09T12:59:00.000-04:002008-05-09T12:59:00.000-04:00Have you seen "Expelled," Motheral?Have you seen "Expelled," Motheral?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90522973179863757452008-05-09T12:24:00.000-04:002008-05-09T12:24:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-80938846202476188062008-05-09T12:20:00.000-04:002008-05-09T12:20:00.000-04:00I've taken a solemn oath that responding to Derbys...<I>I've taken a solemn oath that responding to Derbyshire was the last time I would discuss the movie with someone who talks big about the empirical method but doesn't actually practice it.</I><BR/><BR/>So I guess you won't be making any effort to prove such critics are wrong? (Oh, and when we judge a so-called "documentary" based on reliable and publicly available information -- whose validity Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-12522371859951419202008-05-09T11:43:00.000-04:002008-05-09T11:43:00.000-04:00Motheral,I've taken a solemn oath that responding ...Motheral,<BR/><BR/>I've taken a solemn oath that responding to Derbyshire was the last time I would discuss the movie with someone who talks big about the empirical method but doesn't actually practice it.<BR/><BR/>When you request that I respond to "critics who HAVE seen the movie" is this a class of people that includes you?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-27395536899578506782008-05-09T11:02:00.000-04:002008-05-09T11:02:00.000-04:00And before you waste any more of your time bloviat...And before you waste any more of your time bloviating about critics who haven't seen the movie, I have to ask you this: What's your response to those critics who HAVE seen the movie? Were they right? Were they more right than those who didn't see it? If so, what did the former get right that the latter got wrong?<BR/><BR/>One more thing: since the producers of this crap went to great lengths Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-63572154483114867942008-05-09T10:51:00.000-04:002008-05-09T10:51:00.000-04:00Basically Motheral is saying that if you hear crit...<I>Basically Motheral is saying that if you hear critics saying something is bad, then you don't need to study the thing yourself.</I><BR/><BR/>No, I'm saying that if there are reliable sources describing the content and thrust of the movie, then we don't need to see the movie to get the content and thrust thereof. And in this case, "reliable sources" includes, not merely knowledgeable critics Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-19207704197926780282008-05-09T00:05:00.000-04:002008-05-09T00:05:00.000-04:00Basically Motheral is saying that if you hear crit...Basically Motheral is saying that if you hear critics saying something is bad, then you don't need to study the thing yourself.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure all the creationists out there who've heard bad reviews of evolution will be happy to hear that.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-14116128519705379292008-05-07T22:47:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:47:00.000-04:00Where did I say Derbyshire got specific facts wron...<I>Where did I say Derbyshire got specific facts wrong?</I><BR/><BR/>You didn't -- which I take as an admission that one can indeed judge "Expelled" without having to waste money to see it oneself. The movie claims to be a "documentary," reporting certain (alleged) material facts; therefore, if one knows what (alleged) material facts are stated in the movie, one can judge the movie according to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-49931135500722066642008-05-07T11:37:00.000-04:002008-05-07T11:37:00.000-04:00Frame,The only people who follow ID are devout rel...Frame,<BR/><BR/><I>The only people who follow ID are devout religionists...</I><BR/><BR/>Okay. Got it. So here goes: tell me whether you accept the following argument:<BR/><BR/>All ID supporters are devout religionists.<BR/>Ben Stein is an ID supporter.<BR/>Therefore Ben Stein is a devout religionist.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-55428657904162528522008-05-07T11:26:00.000-04:002008-05-07T11:26:00.000-04:00Motheral,Where did I say Derbyshire got specific f...Motheral,<BR/><BR/>Where did I say Derbyshire got specific facts wrong? In fact, I criticized him because he refused to give examples of specific charges against the movie.<BR/><BR/>Did you read what I said, or are you now mimicking Derbyshire and not reading the things you criticize?<BR/><BR/>Surely, Motheral you're not going off the cliff with all the other lemmings who are defending Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-16464594135044109202008-05-07T09:32:00.000-04:002008-05-07T09:32:00.000-04:00Martin:Speaking of lemmings, the entire ID positio...Martin:<BR/><BR/>Speaking of lemmings, the entire ID position is a blind faith follower's position. The scientific community rejects it based on its complete lack of merit. The courts reject it - even the court with a conservative and christian bush-appointed republican judge. For more detail on all of this, see my comment in the thread that you posted right after this one.<BR/><BR/>The only Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-17340571568151409302008-05-07T00:19:00.000-04:002008-05-07T00:19:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-49226060898529961082008-05-07T00:18:00.000-04:002008-05-07T00:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-14747371455184651532008-05-06T18:46:00.000-04:002008-05-06T18:46:00.000-04:00A photo of some "Darwinists" with Hitler can be fo...A photo of some "Darwinists" with Hitler can be found here:<BR/>http://www.evolvedrational.com/2008/05/darwinism-atheism-hitler-fail.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-58073889268056981842008-05-06T14:48:00.000-04:002008-05-06T14:48:00.000-04:00Yeah, I know. I admit it. But I'll try to addres...Yeah, I know. I admit it. But I'll try to address these later tonight when I have some time.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-3799726638413630442008-05-06T14:28:00.000-04:002008-05-06T14:28:00.000-04:00Martin: That's a very witty cop-out. But would you...Martin: That's a very witty cop-out. But would you like to give a real response?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-52688711427469271952008-05-06T13:52:00.000-04:002008-05-06T13:52:00.000-04:00Motheral asks:So what specific facts did they get ...Motheral asks:<BR/><BR/><I>So what specific facts did they get wrong about "Expelled?"</I><BR/><BR/>I've actually seen the movie, so what would I know?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-12120765621658939502008-05-06T10:18:00.000-04:002008-05-06T10:18:00.000-04:00One does not need to see this movie to critique it...One does not need to see this movie to critique it. Reasons:<BR/>1) The ID movement is very well-known, as it has been active for years;<BR/>2) Ben Stein and other people behind the movie have given numerous interviews wherein they describe the premises of the film;<BR/>3) The film trailers give a very good overview of what to expect in the film;<BR/>4) The movie has a website which gives info onAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-64402156294667492342008-05-06T01:03:00.000-04:002008-05-06T01:03:00.000-04:00You don't actually have to see a movie to know tha...You don't actually have to see a movie to know that it's crap. If some Astrologers got together and made a movie about how they were being "Expelled" from schools of astronomy, I wouldn't have to see it to make derogatory comments about it.<BR/><BR/>Nobody who is intelligent needs to see it. Just listen to Ben Stein. Just read reputable people who have seen it. Just learn about the history ofidahogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15917930173575802763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-2888266383768247882008-05-05T23:52:00.000-04:002008-05-05T23:52:00.000-04:00So what specific facts did they get wrong about "E...So what specific facts did they get wrong about "Expelled?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com