tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post2173222609579383385..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: My comments today at the Stand Up for Religious Freedom Rally in LouisvilleMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-26461614000402882072012-06-18T18:08:48.005-04:002012-06-18T18:08:48.005-04:00What you are suggesting is that the scope of the C...<i>What you are suggesting is that the scope of the Church's mission should be defined by the state and that it has an unquestioned authority to do so,</i><br /><br />To take one example, do you oppose the state limiting the scope of the mission of the FLDS by saying they can only legally marry one person? Or, it is only the limitations to the sacopes of the ministries you support that are One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-37297052718899115522012-06-18T04:08:51.541-04:002012-06-18T04:08:51.541-04:00'But why should anyone accept that as a first ...'But why should anyone accept that as a first principle, since it is so obviously false, especially when it comes to "ministries," e.g., hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc.,'<br /><br />A suggestion: If you yourself even put 'ministries' in apostrophes in this context, it is quite clear that you you are perfectly aware that your 'argument' doesn't stand up Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-76132732558157548212012-06-17T12:36:24.594-04:002012-06-17T12:36:24.594-04:00One Brow writes: "Catholic organizations are ...One Brow writes: "Catholic organizations are free to use any policies they want in ministries to other Catholics, employing other Catholics. In minitries to tyhe general public, employing the general public, they have to play by the rules of the general public. It's simple, straightforward, and fair."<br /><br />No, it's not. Because central to the Church's ministry is to Francis Beckwithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03765632359220115150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-30776578143393567202012-06-12T12:43:51.031-04:002012-06-12T12:43:51.031-04:00Martin,
Martin Cothran said...
OneBrow,
Can I j...Martin,<br /><br />Martin Cothran said... <br />OneBrow,<br /><br /><i>Can I just assert my position too? If I do, then how do we decide between the two?</i><br /><br />If you want to assert that it is not simple, not straightforward, or not fair to expect Catholics to play by the rules of the general public when serving the general public, feel free. As usual, individuals will decide between One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-22893097955552463502012-06-11T18:05:20.367-04:002012-06-11T18:05:20.367-04:00OneBrow,
Is that supposed to be an argument? It l...<i>OneBrow,<br /><br />Is that supposed to be an argument? It looks an awful lot like an assertion to me. Can I just assert my position too? If I do, then how do we decide between the two?</i><br /><br />Um, Martin, the fact is that you have done nothing more than assert, without any reasoning or argument that is based in any sort of reality, your position.Arthttp://www.aghunt.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-41905056021933785752012-06-11T16:42:16.171-04:002012-06-11T16:42:16.171-04:00OneBrow,
Is that supposed to be an argument? It l...OneBrow,<br /><br />Is that supposed to be an argument? It looks an awful lot like an assertion to me. Can I just assert my position too? If I do, then how do we decide between the two?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-67746996792731637782012-06-11T13:14:51.989-04:002012-06-11T13:14:51.989-04:00Catholic organizations are free to use any policie...Catholic organizations are free to use any policies they want in ministries to other Catholics, employing other Catholics. In minitries to tyhe general public, employing the general public, they have to play by the rules of the general public. It's simple, straightforward, and fair.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-18432141574270598202012-06-10T09:39:17.287-04:002012-06-10T09:39:17.287-04:00'What that decision did was to do away with th...'What that decision did was to do away with the compelling interest standard--that the state had to have a compelling interest in infringing on free exercises rights.'<br /><br />So - even ignoring Smith v. Employment - you are saying that making sure that women who work for religious organizations receive the same basic healthcare that women in other private sector jobs receive is <i>notSingringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-89524633702662202312012-06-09T12:06:28.131-04:002012-06-09T12:06:28.131-04:00KyCobb,
You're begging the question. Native A...KyCobb,<br /><br />You're begging the question. Native Americans can be banned from using peyote in their ceremonies, for example, only in a post <i>Smith v. Employment</i> division world. But the whole issue is whether the decision was a good decision.<br /><br />After Smith, any generally applicable law can prevail against the free exercise of religion. What that decision did was to do awayMartin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-42992916521585081432012-06-09T11:49:18.000-04:002012-06-09T11:49:18.000-04:00Anonymous,
I don't mind when commenters make ...Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't mind when commenters make snarky remarks on the blog, but the expectation here (which the regulars here do a pretty good job of meeting) is to do it in the context of an actual argument. <br /><br />If you need me to explain what an argument is, I'll be glad to oblige.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-45349179538631124262012-06-08T22:27:43.173-04:002012-06-08T22:27:43.173-04:00Martin,
We've always made laws for the public...Martin,<br /><br />We've always made laws for the public interest which the religious have to comply with even when it violates their beliefs. Faith healers can be prosecuted for not taking their kids to the doctor. Native Americans can be banned from using peyote in their ceremonies. Quakers have to pay taxes which are used to pay for military defense. Mormons had to give up polygamy. KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-43943532202369234772012-06-08T20:45:50.225-04:002012-06-08T20:45:50.225-04:00Did everyone laugh?Did everyone laugh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com