tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post3869070416660823183..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: When the Going Gets Tough: Will conservative leaders sell out on same-sex marriage?Martin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-24256934346068757412012-05-14T09:55:27.880-04:002012-05-14T09:55:27.880-04:00So, OneBrow, you are saying better to live up (or ...<i>So, OneBrow, you are saying better to live up (or down, whichever way it goes) to a bad standard one espouses, than to fail to live up to a good standard.</i><br /><br />I added "all other things being equal", that is, under the same behaviors.<br /><br /><i>Therefore, it follows that we have to wait for saints to espouse the saintly</i><br /><br />Those who espouse the saintly, but One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-66632870563832185732012-05-11T18:15:50.883-04:002012-05-11T18:15:50.883-04:00> It's better to live up, or even down, to ...> It's better to live up, or even down, to your genuine beliefs that to espouse beliefs you fail to live up to, all other things being equal.<br /><br />So, OneBrow, you are saying better to live up (or down, whichever way it goes) to a bad standard one espouses, than to fail to live up to a good standard.<br /><br />Therefore, it follows that we have to wait for saints to espouse the Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-8709049072643041902012-05-11T18:11:34.548-04:002012-05-11T18:11:34.548-04:00> I did
You did not. And we both know it.> I did<br /><br />You did not. And we both know it.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-45105615045980927822012-05-11T17:09:46.818-04:002012-05-11T17:09:46.818-04:00Lee,
It's better to live up, or even down, to...Lee,<br /><br />It's better to live up, or even down, to your genuine beliefs that to espouse beliefs you fail to live up to, all other things being equal.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-43078057969700604132012-05-11T15:15:06.098-04:002012-05-11T15:15:06.098-04:00I didI didKyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90687776928349158782012-05-11T14:37:26.928-04:002012-05-11T14:37:26.928-04:00> Happy?
Not until you answer the question.> Happy?<br /><br />Not until you answer the question.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-14704694856570114682012-05-11T13:11:16.916-04:002012-05-11T13:11:16.916-04:00OK, if Bristol and Newt would espouse the correct ...OK, if Bristol and Newt would espouse the correct moral view, that would be better. Happy?KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-60794206766087927522012-05-11T08:04:11.695-04:002012-05-11T08:04:11.695-04:00> Bristol and Newt espouse the incorrect moral ...> Bristol and Newt espouse the incorrect moral view and fail to live up to it.<br /><br />It seemed like a fairly simple, straightforward, and even nonpartisan question, but somehow I just knew you weren't going to answer it.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-39293375015129418792012-05-11T07:46:59.432-04:002012-05-11T07:46:59.432-04:00Bristol and Newt espouse the incorrect moral view ...Bristol and Newt espouse the incorrect moral view and fail to live up to it.KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-35273740165276867502012-05-11T07:39:29.597-04:002012-05-11T07:39:29.597-04:00KyCobb, just as a general moral question -- and le...KyCobb, just as a general moral question -- and let's remove it from a specific issue or a partisan association -- is it better to espouse the correct moral view and fail to live up to it, or to espouse the incorrect moral view and live up to that?Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-59330911954694071782012-05-10T21:06:43.536-04:002012-05-10T21:06:43.536-04:00You'll be glad to know that Bristol Palin is o...You'll be glad to know that Bristol Palin is on the case, lecturing the President on the importance of traditional marriage. Perhaps she could have a joint news conference with another of the GOP's great moral defenders of traditional one man, three women marriage, Newt Gingrich.KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-55473154592930724122012-05-10T16:16:28.723-04:002012-05-10T16:16:28.723-04:00Why wouldn't I like it?Why wouldn't I like it?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-66138099940626751612012-05-10T13:46:49.045-04:002012-05-10T13:46:49.045-04:00Like it or not, Martin, you and I are allies in th...Like it or not, Martin, you and I are allies in this struggle. Maybe this is how the Church will become re-unified.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-47460843016811648322012-05-10T08:09:59.212-04:002012-05-10T08:09:59.212-04:00'But any conservative who cannot stand up for ...'But any conservative who cannot stand up for marriage cannot be counted on to have the fortitude to stand up on any other conservative issue in the face of adversity and should in all honesty renounce the conservative label.'<br /><br />Sorry, Martin, you and other conservatives don't get to claim to be 'standing up for marriage' when you are doing the exact opposite. You areSingringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-57836429481975147102012-05-09T21:31:24.698-04:002012-05-09T21:31:24.698-04:00Marriage has always stood as a pillar of conservat...<i>Marriage has always stood as a pillar of conservative social conviction, along with the sanctity of human life, and the belief that the concept of private property is essential to other freedoms. </i><br /><br />Marriage? Yeah, Newt showed us how much of a pillar marriage is for conservatives.<br /><br />Sanctity of life? Martin has showed us on this blog that this pillar takes a back seat Arthttp://www.aghunt.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-19507144546175311242012-05-09T20:54:48.407-04:002012-05-09T20:54:48.407-04:00I think the answer to your title question is Yes. ...I think the answer to your title question is Yes. And they will not say they are giving up on marriage. Instead, they will say that homosexual marriage is better than homosexual sex-without-marriage, just as heterosexual marriage is better than heterosexual sex-without-marriage.<br /><br />Andrew Sullivan has long maintained that this is the true conservative position. I think it will become Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14864860607925412103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-38218295235269401282012-05-09T19:06:56.617-04:002012-05-09T19:06:56.617-04:00Martin,
50 years ago, you could've written th...Martin,<br /><br />50 years ago, you could've written the same article about segregation, and yet you consider yourself conservative today. 50 years from now, the homophobia will be in the past, and the central issue of traditionalists will be the space-alien marriage controversy.KyCobbnoreply@blogger.com