tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post4252215194752217009..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: Why David Quine is wrong about classical educationMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-9540309388621476502017-08-26T16:47:02.162-04:002017-08-26T16:47:02.162-04:00Dave: in response to your comment:
"The Grec...Dave: in response to your comment: <br />"The Greco-Roman thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are man's traditions, man's thought on philosophic issues which the Renaissance "Catholic" Church has assimilated into its basic belief structure, therefore making it a "tradition." In contrast, those adhering to the Protestant Reformation do not consider Christianity as man'Noah Hydenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-4271935526302507462016-05-04T10:33:50.789-04:002016-05-04T10:33:50.789-04:00http://www.libertyadvocate.com/http://www.libertyadvocate.com/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891040022784993602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-67206455733197094752015-04-26T23:06:51.982-04:002015-04-26T23:06:51.982-04:00PS. This evening I was speaking with our son about...PS. This evening I was speaking with our son about the conversation we are having regarding the statement "the union of two great traditions, both Christian and classical."<br /><br />The point he made clarifies our difference - which is the difference between Protestant Reformation thinking and Renaissance Catholic thinking:<br /><br />"The Greco-Roman thoughts, ideas, and beliefsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228938792282873507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-64751172449204396552015-04-26T21:52:49.311-04:002015-04-26T21:52:49.311-04:00Hi Martin,
I understand your conversion to Catho...Hi Martin, <br /><br />I understand your conversion to Catholicism, because that is a natural and logical conclusion of classical education.<br /><br />The Classical movement is "opening the door" to thinking which elevates Greco-Roman thought to the same level as biblical Truth within the heart, soul, and mind of young evangelical Christian students (Schaeffer and McDowell). This &Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228938792282873507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-28516575333004778572015-04-26T21:51:08.006-04:002015-04-26T21:51:08.006-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228938792282873507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-48915914494029266602015-04-22T13:01:42.744-04:002015-04-22T13:01:42.744-04:00I have a new post in regard to the discussion here...I have a new post in regard to the discussion here up today: http://vereloqui.blogspot.com/2015/04/is-classical-education-in-conflict-with.htmlMartin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-8764906594702213342015-04-21T13:14:54.929-04:002015-04-21T13:14:54.929-04:00Martin,
Thanks for clairifying your conversion f...Martin, <br /><br />Thanks for clairifying your conversion from Protestant Christianity to Catholicism. <br /><br />According to Schaeffer (How Should We Then Live?, The God Who is There, Escape from Reason, and others) there is a direct correlation between the syncretism of Greco-Roman teaching with Christianity by the Catholic Church (the Church at the time of the Renaissance).<br /><br />It isAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228938792282873507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-8769652933835658692015-04-21T12:33:55.867-04:002015-04-21T12:33:55.867-04:00David,
Before joining the Church, I was a member ...David,<br /><br />Before joining the Church, I was a member (and elder) with the Presbyterian Church of America. But I am still uncertain as to exactly how this bears on the questions at issue here, since the classical tradition in education is a common inheritance of both Protestants and Catholics or where on the Internet this is being discussed.<br /><br />I would also say that the idea that &Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-43126778100050522192015-04-21T12:00:00.158-04:002015-04-21T12:00:00.158-04:00Hi Martin,
Please clarify for me and the audience...Hi Martin,<br /><br />Please clarify for me and the audience reading this blog:<br /><br />Did you convert from a Reformation based denomination (church) to Catholicism?<br /><br />This is a very important issue that Protestant Reformation based home school parents need to know and understand. It is the heart of the matter.<br /><br />According to Dr Schaeffer it was the Renaissance Church (thatAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228938792282873507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-33832851996209207452015-03-12T00:41:54.681-04:002015-03-12T00:41:54.681-04:00Your blogs are easily accessible and quite enlight...Your blogs are easily accessible and quite enlightening so keep doing the amazing work guys.<a href="http://allenarnoldwrites.com" rel="nofollow">allenarnoldwrites.com</a>Jennifer Crewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256605046412252123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-73911924837859128082015-03-02T21:09:08.598-05:002015-03-02T21:09:08.598-05:00David,
Thank you for the extended comment outlini...David,<br /><br />Thank you for the extended comment outlining more of your position.<br /><br />I do have some more thoughts on this, but it would probably be best to make sure in fully understand the position you articulate here. And perhaps the best thing to do is for me to state what I think you are saying. If I am incorrect on any of this please correct me.<br /><br />You speak of the dangerMartin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-6038130301761910722015-03-02T20:45:00.981-05:002015-03-02T20:45:00.981-05:00David,
Thank you for your willingness to engage i...David,<br /><br />Thank you for your willingness to engage in a dialogue on this issue. I think it would help readers to see more clearly what the issues are on classical education.<br /><br />In regard to your first post, if you could tell me where on the web there is confusion about whether I have converted to Catholism, I would be glad to clarify my position for whoever it is who has questionsMartin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-18823546127436823732015-03-02T18:29:30.338-05:002015-03-02T18:29:30.338-05:00The Three Pillars of Classical Education -
Some t...The Three Pillars of Classical Education -<br /><br />Some time ago Shirley and I were in a conversation with a small group of Christian educators regarding Classical Education. We were told that this was the growing trend in Christian home school education and that we should consider embracing it as well.<br /><br />However, we were shocked when the conversation turned to the three pillars of David Quinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-65010197129972706942015-02-21T19:17:46.927-05:002015-02-21T19:17:46.927-05:00Hi Martin,
There seems to be some confusion on the...Hi Martin,<br />There seems to be some confusion on the web as to whether you are a member and elder of the Presbyterian church or whether you have converrted to Catholicism? I hope you will personally clarify your position. <br />Sincerely,<br />David QuineDavid Quinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-12434018043441211362014-12-26T10:23:16.668-05:002014-12-26T10:23:16.668-05:00"Quine would have been on much more solid gro..."Quine would have been on much more solid ground had he argued that there are some factions in classical education whose neglect of certain Christian truths undermines the Christian cause."<br /><br />I echo this sentiment which I believe hits the nail on the head regarding the Christian worldview being well represented in classical education circles.<br /><br />While I champion healthyMimi Rothschildhttp://www.thejubileeacademy.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-69889759289749919262014-04-05T00:17:44.650-04:002014-04-05T00:17:44.650-04:00Thank you so much for politely articulating why Mr...Thank you so much for politely articulating why Mr. Quine is so wrong about Classical Christian education. May I also point out that he seems not to understand the trivium aspect of Classical Schooling? People uninformed about the three stages of Classical schooling will often accuse the grammar stage of 'taking the joy out of learning'. When in fact, young children very much enjoy Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15892945859716494041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-20332357909855102702012-09-05T20:28:21.663-04:002012-09-05T20:28:21.663-04:00How?How?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-64584961435299701282012-09-05T20:26:13.935-04:002012-09-05T20:26:13.935-04:00"This is the fallacy of composition: attribut..."This is the fallacy of composition: attributing a characteristic of a part to the whole. In addition to this, he picks only the evidence that confirms his claim and ignores any evidence to the contrary, an example of special pleading."<br /><br />Martin, the above quote applies to most of your posts on science.Barnetnoreply@blogger.com