tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post4421516077396833312..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: Why P. Z. Myers should be wearing the short pants and sneakersMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-14718960705951980352008-04-02T23:50:00.000-04:002008-04-02T23:50:00.000-04:00This is amazing; definitely one of, if not the, mo...This is amazing; definitely one of, if not the, most impressive articles of Mr Cothran's I have ever read.<BR/><BR/>Using a rather wide latitude of meaning for some words, there is nothing in the post which is clearly a false statement. Yet Mr Cothran still manages to convey a contrary impression.<BR/><BR/>I can imagine him describing a race; "Runner A, his resolve and dedication fortified by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-38519236879219022008-04-01T23:20:00.000-04:002008-04-01T23:20:00.000-04:00So Motheral says I did something that I demonstrab...So Motheral says I did something that I demonstrably didn't do and he's upset with me because I didn't address the "point of his post" which was based on what he said I did but didn't actually do.<BR/><BR/>Where did I defend a movie I hadn't even seen yet "with absolute impunity" Motheral?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-38734345342712492022008-04-01T22:23:00.000-04:002008-04-01T22:23:00.000-04:00Wow, you completely dodged the point of what I sai...Wow, you completely dodged the point of what I said. Maybe it's you who should be wearing the short pants and sneakers.<BR/><BR/>So tell us...if there's all this "Darwinist thought control," how did "Expelled" manage to get made at all? Were the Evil Dogmatic Darwinists able to outwit our entire educational and scientific elite, but not Ben Stein and the right-wing hacks who made asses of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-158342631278608252008-04-01T17:48:00.000-04:002008-04-01T17:48:00.000-04:00The movie was a private screening replete with RSV...<I>The movie was a private screening replete with RSVP requests and security guards. No flowery rhetoric about how everyone is welcome. No high-minded declarations about equal opportunity in getting in.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not arguing their right to have a private screening, nor their right to rescind Myers invitation.<BR/><BR/><I>Compare this with the sanctimonious rhetoric at places like Baylor One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-69325732479167389282008-04-01T15:56:00.000-04:002008-04-01T15:56:00.000-04:00One Brow,The movie was a private screening replete...One Brow,<BR/><BR/>The movie was a private screening replete with RSVP requests and security guards. No flowery rhetoric about how everyone is welcome. No high-minded declarations about equal opportunity in getting in. <BR/><BR/>Compare this with the sanctimonious rhetoric at places like Baylor and Iowa State University about academic freedom.<BR/><BR/>I think if you can get past the partisan Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-80375055233681012822008-04-01T15:02:00.000-04:002008-04-01T15:02:00.000-04:00What does barring someone from a private showing o...<I>What does barring someone from a private showing of a movie have to do with academic freedom?</I><BR/><BR/>Just the irony of making false claims of restricing academic dialogue made in the movie juxtaposed with the reality of restricting the dialogue after the movie.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-39857868677336905222008-04-01T12:57:00.000-04:002008-04-01T12:57:00.000-04:00Motheral,I'm "defending it with absolute impunity"...Motheral,<BR/><BR/>I'm "defending it with absolute impunity"? I didn't even comment on the film itself in the post. Did you actually read it?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-13700163455112966442008-04-01T12:48:00.000-04:002008-04-01T12:48:00.000-04:00Scott,What does barring someone from a private sho...Scott,<BR/><BR/>What does barring someone from a private showing of a movie have to do with academic freedom?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-77645566564113436412008-03-30T21:57:00.000-04:002008-03-30T21:57:00.000-04:00The mere fact that Ben Stein made this movie, and ...The mere fact that Ben Stein made this movie, and you're defending it, with absolute impunity, pretty clarly disproves the thesis of the movie. If there really is an evil Darwinist conspiracy to suppress all those poor innocent cdesign proponentsists, the movie would never have been made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-34682979615948260412008-03-29T14:42:00.000-04:002008-03-29T14:42:00.000-04:00There's just one small problem with Cothran's prem...There's just one small problem with Cothran's premise, the event was not by "invitation only", it was an open sign up on the internet with NO restrictions. Myers was singled out to get rid of him because the organizers didn't want the rest of the audience hearing what he might ask or say, especially since they are already publicly known to be deceptive given how they obtained their interviews Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00441279821233939709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-75017848848762266082008-03-29T08:35:00.000-04:002008-03-29T08:35:00.000-04:00I don't understand how anyone can confuse amusemen...I don't understand how anyone can confuse amusement (of the knee-slapping, laugh out loud flavor) with outrage.<BR/><BR/>"Expelled from Expelled!"<BR/><BR/>"Producer fails to recognize world's most famous atheist, who he interviewed!"<BR/><BR/>I know, I know. It's not nice to be laughing at people as enfeebled as the crew that made Expelled. But .....<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm a bit mystified as to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-81194555254413162802008-03-27T15:37:00.000-04:002008-03-27T15:37:00.000-04:00It doesn't particularly make me feel better or wor...It doesn't particularly make me feel better or worse. I'm just trying to avoid acting on a false premise, so I didn't want to assume you were serious, expecially given the post's title.<BR/><BR/>However, if you prefer not to commit yourself either way on you believe one or more of the items I listed, more power to you.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-47902265098414751122008-03-27T10:44:00.000-04:002008-03-27T10:44:00.000-04:00If that makes you feel better, more power to you.If that makes you feel better, more power to you.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-83669380236100046512008-03-27T10:11:00.000-04:002008-03-27T10:11:00.000-04:00I'll be frank, I sometimes have difficulty disting...I'll be frank, I sometimes have difficulty distinguishing what you mean to be humorous and what you mean to be serious. So for now, I'll just assume your claims that Myers was trying to sneak in, that the screening was invitation-only, that Myers accounts his performance heroism, that the "something" Myers accorded to the incident was anything other than immense irony and laughter, or that thereOne Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.com