tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post4658315264543280321..comments2024-03-04T05:55:35.225-05:00Comments on Vital Remnants: Why auto industry bailouts are a bad ideaMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-45883850696097550922008-11-25T13:12:00.000-05:002008-11-25T13:12:00.000-05:00Do you think it is reasonable to believe that the ...<I>Do you think it is reasonable to believe that the productivity of American auto workers is 65 percent higher than workers for foreign auto companies?</I><BR/><BR/>Having worked in a union shop as well as a non-union shop for the same job, I can tell you that there was additional pressure by the other employees in the union shop to deliever quality, training provided by the union, a sense of One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-82639590988788012422008-11-25T00:32:00.000-05:002008-11-25T00:32:00.000-05:00One Brow:Until know how much of the percentage in ...One Brow:<BR/><BR/><I>Until know how much of the percentage in the cost of a car is attributable to labor, we don't know how meanful the difference is.</I><BR/><BR/>"Luria [a former UAW economist] has estimated that the work done in GM factories accounts only for 45 percent of the cost of one of its cars. For Ford, the percentage is 38 percent and for Chrysler it is 34 percent, he calculates." [Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-405043701615418442008-11-25T00:28:00.000-05:002008-11-25T00:28:00.000-05:00One Brow:You have offered no evidence that the dif...One Brow:<BR/><BR/><I>You have offered no evidence that the difference is labor cost is a measure of inefficiency, which is not offset by improved productivity.</I><BR/><BR/>Do you think it is reasonable to believe that the productivity of American auto workers is 65 percent higher than workers for foreign auto companies?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-13928408486141038322008-11-20T21:08:00.000-05:002008-11-20T21:08:00.000-05:00I have not studied how Perry came to his conclusio...<I>I have not studied how Perry came to his conclusions: I just reported them. </I><BR/><BR/>Perry's blog title is a warning that people need to verify things, yours is a statement that what you say is true. At least he is honest about his reliability.<BR/><BR/><I>But this is the third post I've seen today in which you have either argued against a point I (or in this case the original post) did One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90843985913798695082008-11-20T17:14:00.000-05:002008-11-20T17:14:00.000-05:00OneBrow:I have not studied how Perry came to his c...OneBrow:<BR/><BR/>I have not studied how Perry came to his conclusions: I just reported them. But this is the third post I've seen today in which you have either argued against a point I (or in this case the original post) did not make, or have implied there is a contradiction in a fact and what was said when there was no contradiction.<BR/><BR/>The data Perry is reporting here is an absolute Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-42497319456788574012008-11-19T20:59:00.000-05:002008-11-19T20:59:00.000-05:00Are you arguing that there is no difference betwee...<I>Are you arguing that there is no difference between the production costs attributable to labor between the countries' two industries?</I><BR/><BR/>Until know how much of the percentage in the cost of a car is attributable to labor, we don't know how meanful the difference is.<BR/><BR/>As for memorizing car statistics, if you have bothered to read the documents linked in the article to which One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-15171468048933828482008-11-18T22:10:00.000-05:002008-11-18T22:10:00.000-05:00OneBrow,I'd wager you can't even name the percenta...OneBrow,<BR/><BR/><I>I'd wager you can't even name the percentage of a car's cost attributable to labor without looking it up.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm sure you memorize auto industry statistics before you go to bed every night. Are you arguing that there is no difference between the production costs attributable to labor between the countries' two industries?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-82961499510457214572008-11-18T22:07:00.000-05:002008-11-18T22:07:00.000-05:00Anonymous,Are you implying I supported the bailout...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Are you implying I supported the bailout?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-7129308725397177072008-11-18T21:28:00.000-05:002008-11-18T21:28:00.000-05:00What a wonderfully shallow analysis. I'd wager yo...What a wonderfully shallow analysis. I'd wager you can't even name the percentage of a car's cost attributable to labor without looking it up. Are the domestic automakers being undersold, or are they making a fleet that no one wants to buy?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-66804601473616589962008-11-18T21:19:00.000-05:002008-11-18T21:19:00.000-05:00But the powers that be, i.e, McConnell and Bunning...But the powers that be, i.e, McConnell and Bunning, will hold the auto industry to a higher standard then they will the banking industry. Republicans always want to help Wall Street, but they don't give a damn about Main Street. The added attraction for them is that they see a way to put a hole in unions, too. The right is using this issue to assault labor unions - and their logic is truly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90758956837986196112008-11-18T21:12:00.000-05:002008-11-18T21:12:00.000-05:00If we ever go to war with China, I'm sure the Chin...If we ever go to war with China, I'm sure the Chinese will sell us the planes, tanks, and other vehicles to fight them with. We might even be able to buy them from MalWart instead of manufacturing them ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, if we loose all of our manufacturing base we are in deep trouble during a war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-56343795743397743432008-11-18T20:03:00.000-05:002008-11-18T20:03:00.000-05:00The Germans sold off Chrysler at a huge loss, perh...The Germans sold off Chrysler at a huge loss, perhaps 20 cents on the dollar, to a private company headed by former Treasury Secretary John Snow. Their cars and trucks largely suck and many of their dealers are bandits. Yea, let's give them billions of dollars to continue that heritage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com