tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post5353230303360449081..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: The Newest Left Wing Conspiracy TheoryMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-61643783143106815452011-09-10T15:06:57.944-04:002011-09-10T15:06:57.944-04:00'The worst, most foul and despicable human bei...'The worst, most foul and despicable human beings in history, and there is quite a contest to find the worst of them, could always justify the things they did. '<br /><br />So does your God, Lee. He even tries to justify eternal torture.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-18668867657090003652011-09-10T15:05:18.873-04:002011-09-10T15:05:18.873-04:00'Why is is right to do right? Hmm, let me thin...'Why is is right to do right? Hmm, let me think about that.'<br /><br />You should, because you apparently have no answer.<br /><br />Welcome to the moral subjectivism.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-66112889298540028472011-09-07T22:25:39.826-04:002011-09-07T22:25:39.826-04:00> And Lee - you derive your morals just as I do...> And Lee - you derive your morals just as I do - only you choose to derive them from external rules you consider 'objective' or 'absolute', whereas I derive mine from a set of premises that are relative to me. <br /><br />I'm only sure of only a few things, but one thing I am sure of is that whenever people derive their own moral values, we're in serious trouble. Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-10923319401918302142011-09-07T10:12:38.336-04:002011-09-07T10:12:38.336-04:00Why do you think it is right to follow objective m...<i>Why do you think it is right to follow objective moral rules, even if they existed? For example, why is it right to obey a hypothetical objective moral rule that states 'lying is wrong' (just an example).<br /><br />Explain that to me.</i><br /><br />Why is is right to do right? Hmm, let me think about that.Seamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065227784774273923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-30441514771973912562011-09-07T03:22:54.097-04:002011-09-07T03:22:54.097-04:00'If I don't know how on any given issue yo...'If I don't know how on any given issue you derived your morality, how am I to know how to stop appearing ridiculous in your eyes?'<br /><br />Two points:<br /><br />First, it is not how anyone derives their morals that makes them look ridiculous on a given discussion in morals, it is the actual morals they espouse that do, at least in the eyes of the other side of that discussion. I Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-33520247025019388662011-09-06T15:02:17.933-04:002011-09-06T15:02:17.933-04:00>> 'If we were to take it seriously, it ...>> 'If we were to take it seriously, it would require us to consult with Singring before coming down one way or the other on the arising moral issues of the day.'<br /><br />> Really? How so. Please explain.<br /><br />See below.<br /><br />> Sorry, I thought that with me explicitly stating that I derive my morals from underlying premises you two would be able to figure out Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-20732760242834513862011-09-06T14:44:28.014-04:002011-09-06T14:44:28.014-04:00P.P.S:
Oh, I see where the misunderstanding might...P.P.S:<br /><br />Oh, I see where the misunderstanding might have arisen: I should have said 'I would be' where I said 'I am'. <br /><br />Sorry, I thought that with me explicitly stating that I derive my morals from underlying premises you two would be able to figure out that I was speaking figuratively in the following paragraph to make a point. <br /><br />I'll take the Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-31343258351516524882011-09-06T14:41:10.113-04:002011-09-06T14:41:10.113-04:00P.S.:
Lee, see my response to Seamus above as to ...P.S.:<br /><br />Lee, see my response to Seamus above as to why you are completely missing my point in that quote once again.<br /><br />I don't reject slavery simply because, I base this ethical judgement on certain premises (as I mentioned above) and that I have illustrated at length for you in previous discussions (minimizing suffering, remember?) and I am very disappointed you now pretendSingringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-12017869807276055252011-09-06T14:33:03.434-04:002011-09-06T14:33:03.434-04:00'If we were to take it seriously, it would req...'If we were to take it seriously, it would require us to consult with Singring before coming down one way or the other on the arising moral issues of the day.'<br /><br />Really? How so. Please explain.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-85148879426309187572011-09-06T14:32:09.697-04:002011-09-06T14:32:09.697-04:00'That statement, if you truly believe it, mean...'That statement, if you truly believe it, means the death of any rational discussion of ethical questions. If the fact that you "just happen to think so" is the best reason you can give for your moral judgements, then you have absolutely no basis on which to persuade anyone else that those judgments are anything other than longer versions of "boo!" or "hooray!" &Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-22304416206504499032011-09-06T14:15:15.824-04:002011-09-06T14:15:15.824-04:00> I am perfectly justfied in believing that sla...> I am perfectly justfied in believing that slavery is wrong for no better reason than because I just happen to think so...<br /><br />That statement was pretty much my point, I think. All it means is we stand advised regarding Singring's likes and dislikes, and little more... if, that is, Singring's claims of living in a morally-relative universe are correct.<br /><br />If we were toLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-89848102270718104952011-09-06T13:59:54.671-04:002011-09-06T13:59:54.671-04:00I am perfectly justfied in believing that slavery ...<i>I am perfectly justfied in believing that slavery is wrong for no better reason than because I just happen to think so - it does not equate to me claiming that this belief is founded on absolutist principles. </i><br /><br />That statement, if you truly believe it, means the death of any rational discussion of ethical questions. If the fact that you "just happen to think so" is the Seamushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065227784774273923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90051366749244407072011-09-06T12:21:09.094-04:002011-09-06T12:21:09.094-04:00'You argue as if ethics are absolute every tim...'You argue as if ethics are absolute every time you get on your moral high-horse, as if there is such a thing as a moral high-horse.'<br /><br />Lee, like many times before, you are mistaking my right to a personal opinion - just the same as you or everyone else - with a claim that this opinion is founded on some sort of absolute rule or basis. I am perfectly justfied in believing that Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-92020619635935497472011-09-06T11:08:39.630-04:002011-09-06T11:08:39.630-04:00> When have I ever argued as if ethics are abso...> When have I ever argued as if ethics are absolute? Could you perhaps give an example?<br /><br />You argue as if ethics are absolute every time you get on your moral high-horse, as if there is such a thing as a moral high-horse.<br /><br />E.g., here, in this very thread.<br /><br />If ethics are relative, then there is another perspective aside from your own in which painting a rosy pictureLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-79677110118870922752011-09-06T10:02:19.860-04:002011-09-06T10:02:19.860-04:00'Personally, I can't think of anything mor...'Personally, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a) believing ethics are relative and b) always arguing as if they are not.'<br /><br />When have I ever argued as if ethics are absolute? Could you perhaps give an example?<br /><br />Do you consider denial of the Holocaust to be ethically good or right? If so, then on what absolute rule do you make that judgement, if not, Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-72588097234162762662011-09-06T09:52:21.147-04:002011-09-06T09:52:21.147-04:00Personally, I can't think of anything more rid...Personally, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a) believing ethics are relative and b) always arguing as if they are not.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974887002402743628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-84932870755626607292011-09-06T05:14:49.270-04:002011-09-06T05:14:49.270-04:00Aside from the double irony that someone who sees ...Aside from the double irony that someone who sees the 'gay agenda' lurking in every public swimming pool is lecturing 'liberal's on being paranoid about a political candidate who would like to have her House colleagues investigated to see if they are 'anti-American' (see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bT01mC9xSA), there's a serious question I have:<br /><br />Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.com