tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post5402318119507959698..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: More on UK's Gaskell Affair: What a tangled web they're weavingMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-17724935736530170832010-12-16T11:52:23.897-05:002010-12-16T11:52:23.897-05:00KyCobb,
The positions you mention would directly ...KyCobb,<br /><br />The positions you mention would directly affect his performance as an astronomer directing a student observatory. I have yet to see anyone point to any believe he has that would prevent him from doing the things he would be asked to do in that capacity.<br /><br />But all of this is beside the point anyway. The question is whether he was discriminated against on the basis of Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-70071502244704690472010-12-15T17:37:29.870-05:002010-12-15T17:37:29.870-05:00Thanks Martin.Thanks Martin.Francis Beckwithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03765632359220115150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-69822515579757317262010-12-15T14:16:33.329-05:002010-12-15T14:16:33.329-05:00Martin,
Of course he should be denied employment ...Martin,<br /><br />Of course he should be denied employment if he believes in intelligent design creationism for scientific reasons. If he stated that he believed the earth was flat and the stars and planets revolved around it for scientific reasons, would you still claim that is no reason not to hire him?KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-38076239874184441592010-12-15T09:20:12.271-05:002010-12-15T09:20:12.271-05:00Martin,
I fully acknowledge the depiction present...Martin,<br /><br />I fully acknowledge the depiction presented in the Courier-Journal could be wrong, that's why I used "if". Your summary differs from theirs, and I'm not going to pretend to know which is more accurate. If their summary is more accurate, not hiring Gaskell seems like a very reasonable decision. If yours is more accurate, it may have been an unreasonable One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-69949298740399933012010-12-14T18:02:24.433-05:002010-12-14T18:02:24.433-05:00One Brow,
The only thing Gaskell said about Intel...One Brow,<br /><br />The only thing Gaskell said about Intelligent Design which I am aware of is what he said at an out of class lecture on the relation between religion and science, which was that--regardless of where you stand on the issue--you should read their claims.<br /><br />You can't even know whether ID is a pseudo-science or not unless you do this. So I'm not sure what your Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-7849551421738455982010-12-14T17:58:50.199-05:002010-12-14T17:58:50.199-05:00Frank,
I should also point out that I do consider...Frank,<br /><br />I should also point out that I do consider creationism a religious position, although Intelligent Design stands or falls, by its own declaration, on the scientific truth of its claims.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-26999262510296807472010-12-14T17:55:40.138-05:002010-12-14T17:55:40.138-05:00Martin,
I agree that if a person in a scientific ...Martin,<br /><br />I agree that if a person in a scientific discipline agrees to teach strictly according to science, than his religious beliefs are not at issue in his employment. <br /><br />There are people who, for religious reasons, think that pi is 3. I don't think they should be allowed to teach that in a mathematics class, or represent this as true while in the position of a One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-29083233361707534782010-12-14T17:30:41.975-05:002010-12-14T17:30:41.975-05:00Frank,
I wasn't addressing the veracity of In...Frank,<br /><br />I wasn't addressing the veracity of Intelligent Design. I have the same Aristotelian-Thomistic reservations as you. <br /><br />I was merely pointing out the logical dilemma that the critics of any non-Darwinian position put themselves in when they say that Intelligent Design (or for that matter creationism) is a religious position and should therefore be grounds for Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-64722717039452468202010-12-14T17:19:18.512-05:002010-12-14T17:19:18.512-05:00Martin, why is it relevant if ID is a "religi...Martin, why is it relevant if ID is a "religious position"? It may or may not be. If it's arguments fail, then they fail. They don't fail because they are religious. They fail because they are not good arguments.Francis Beckwithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03765632359220115150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90248274687101685752010-12-14T11:43:51.303-05:002010-12-14T11:43:51.303-05:00From the article:
"Gaskell had given lecture...From the <a href="http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20101210/NEWS01/312110011/1008/NEWS01/Job+candidate+sues+UK++claiming+religion+cost+him+the+post" rel="nofollow">article</a>:<br /><br />"Gaskell had given lectures to campus religious groups around the country in which he said that while he has no problem reconciling the Bible with the theory of evolution, he believes the theory has One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-90242969695422628752010-12-14T09:27:22.127-05:002010-12-14T09:27:22.127-05:00This was explained to you on the other thread. Qu...This was explained to you on the other thread. Quit pretending(?) to be so dense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-37852740321137985562010-12-13T23:51:40.119-05:002010-12-13T23:51:40.119-05:00Martin,
I'm on holidays and have a minute to ...Martin,<br /><br />I'm on holidays and have a minute to thank you for all your fine efforts in the defence of reason. <br /><br />-Martin Snigg<br />(Australia)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com