tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post743424102523503324..comments2024-03-28T15:39:28.239-04:00Comments on Vital Remnants: The selective indignation of the anti-Catholic mediaMartin Cothranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-19561701764835569222010-09-23T12:36:43.404-04:002010-09-23T12:36:43.404-04:00...and once again: Silence....and once again: Silence.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-31917875685115362312010-09-20T12:07:20.005-04:002010-09-20T12:07:20.005-04:00Fair enough, Martin. But I do wonder why you insis...Fair enough, Martin. But I do wonder why you insisted on dismissing the Spiegel article without having read it and directly asked my if I had read the documents involved. If you wanted to stay on the letter, why did you not say so? Why wait several posts before suddenly deciding now was the time to insist on sticking to that?<br /><br />Anyway, on the letter.<br /><br />Do you deny that it Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-75931146004176490942010-09-20T12:00:11.124-04:002010-09-20T12:00:11.124-04:00Martin,
I have read an english translation of the...Martin,<br /><br />I have read an english translation of the letter, and the translation I read does say that the cases are subject to the pontifical secret. There is also the example of Ratzinger's own handling of one of these cases, in which a child molester was sent to therapy and then allowed to return to pastoral work, and engaged in further child abuse.KyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-39194181713794738932010-09-20T10:16:46.244-04:002010-09-20T10:16:46.244-04:00Singring,
Stop the ADHD routine and FOCUS. When ...Singring,<br /><br />Stop the ADHD routine and FOCUS. When I asked KyCobb that question, he responded by giving a link to (of all things) an article by Christopher Hitchens in Slate. That's the first issue on this thread and that's the one we're dealing with.<br /><br />We're not going to flit to another topic like you love to do every time we hone on the problem.<br /><br />In Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-20898062818458316582010-09-20T04:58:50.424-04:002010-09-20T04:58:50.424-04:00'WHAT DER SPEIGEL SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ...'WHAT DER SPEIGEL SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT RATZINGER SAID IN THE LETTER THAT YOU AND KYCOBB SAID IS THE BASIS FOR THE CHARGES THAT RATZINGER WAS HEADING A COVER UP.'<br /><br />If you will check back to my very first post in response to your article mentioned the Spiegel article as a direct indication of the Pope's involvement in a cover-up. Had you read the article , you Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-18680910105376786522010-09-19T17:19:40.810-04:002010-09-19T17:19:40.810-04:00Singring,
You got it wrong. Admit it. I have no...Singring,<br /><br />You got it wrong. Admit it. I have not read what Der Speigel said because WHAT DER SPEIGEL SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT RATZINGER SAID IN THE LETTER THAT YOU AND KYCOBB SAID IS THE BASIS FOR THE CHARGES THAT RATZINGER WAS HEADING A COVER UP.<br /><br />This is what this thread started with and we're going to stay right with it until you and KyCobb can demonstrated Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-44472175673061202842010-09-19T17:11:25.467-04:002010-09-19T17:11:25.467-04:00The feeling is mutual.The feeling is mutual.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-26009488972860261252010-09-19T17:07:11.128-04:002010-09-19T17:07:11.128-04:00Oh, brother. I think I'm fighting the tar bab...Oh, brother. I think I'm fighting the tar baby here.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-72998434324869202010-09-19T17:00:15.739-04:002010-09-19T17:00:15.739-04:00'Crimen Sollicitationis is NOT the letter Ratz...'Crimen Sollicitationis is NOT the letter Ratzinger sent to the bishops in 2001. Crimen Sollicitationis was written and released in 1962 and Ratzinger had NOTHING to do with it'<br /><br />That's why I asked you IF you were referring to it, Martin.<br /><br />I have read the English translation of said letter as well (what is available). You know, the one where the now Pope gives the Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-34075815481422027312010-09-19T16:50:34.786-04:002010-09-19T16:50:34.786-04:00Singring,
Well, you just stepped it in like I kne...Singring,<br /><br />Well, you just stepped it in like I knew you would. I asked you about the letter from Ratzinger to the bishops. In response, you said, "If yo[u] are referring to 'Crimen Sollicitationis', then yes - I have read it."<br /><br />I hear the gong sounding.<br /><br /><i>Crimen Sollicitationis</i> is NOT the letter Ratzinger sent to the bishops in 2001. <i>CrimenMartin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-62569669758232094742010-09-19T16:43:14.725-04:002010-09-19T16:43:14.725-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-55434797759044364232010-09-19T15:53:03.366-04:002010-09-19T15:53:03.366-04:00Another thigh-slapper there, Martin.
First off, y...Another thigh-slapper there, Martin.<br /><br />First off, yes I am posting quasi-anonymously, though if you did a little clicking you would be able to find a photograph of me on my blog as well as some pictures regarding me research. You will also see where I live. The reason I don't bandy my name about is that I have received physical threats from religionists ('If I ever meet you I Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-68961172763796017122010-09-19T14:13:42.003-04:002010-09-19T14:13:42.003-04:00Singring,
I feel a little strange arguing for com...Singring,<br /><br />I feel a little strange arguing for commonly used practices of confidentiality in personnel issues with someone who posts anonymously on my blog.<br /><br />And I also feel a little strange arguing with someone who professes to be so enamored of science, but who makes bald appeals to authority, such as that I should consider a newspaper as a competent source on an issue of Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-25017550731857757432010-09-19T09:47:57.192-04:002010-09-19T09:47:57.192-04:00'So you are in favor of organizations having a...'So you are in favor of organizations having a completely open process when it comes to investigating allegations involving personnel?'<br /><br />Priceless.<br /><br />In lieu of any cogent argumentation or indication as to whether or not you have checked the evidence and what your position on it is, you come out with yet another deflective question.<br /><br />Which, yet again, I will Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-78190183610691835622010-09-19T08:28:16.346-04:002010-09-19T08:28:16.346-04:00Singring,
So you are in favor of organizations ha...Singring,<br /><br />So you are in favor of organizations having a completely open process when it comes to investigating allegations involving personnel?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-49656909959541904562010-09-19T05:32:44.432-04:002010-09-19T05:32:44.432-04:00'Have you read any of the actual documents in ...'Have you read any of the actual documents in these cases, or are you simply repeating charges from the popular media who regularly get it wrong, as the New York Times did earlier this year?'<br /><br />No, I have not read the actual documents. Funny thing is, I tend to trust investigative journalism of the Spiegel, which is pretty much the most respected news journal in Europe at this Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-71217723624953277122010-09-18T23:21:57.950-04:002010-09-18T23:21:57.950-04:00Singring,
Have you read any of the actual documen...Singring,<br /><br />Have you read any of the actual documents in these cases, or are you simply repeating charges from the popular media who regularly get it wrong, as the New York Times did earlier this year?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-32041892144555718192010-09-18T23:16:16.567-04:002010-09-18T23:16:16.567-04:00KyCobb,
Have you read the letter Hitchens refered...KyCobb,<br /><br />Have you read the letter Hitchens refered to?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-63154505383058760902010-09-18T05:51:56.754-04:002010-09-18T05:51:56.754-04:00One final thing:
The excuse 'others are doing...One final thing:<br /><br />The excuse 'others are doing it too' is so pathetic I don't think it warrants a response.Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-42565166859952139502010-09-18T05:50:02.038-04:002010-09-18T05:50:02.038-04:00'The charges there are completely unfounded, a...'The charges there are completely unfounded, as was easily discovered by reading the actual documentation in the cases, which I did. Are you referring to these cases or those in Europe? If so, which ones?'<br /><br />http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,684970,00.html<br /><br />Is SPIEGEL a credible enough source for you?<br /><br />I would also suggest you watch the Singringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180277470418724600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-33521903041588185262010-09-18T00:40:06.431-04:002010-09-18T00:40:06.431-04:00Oh, Christopher Hitchen's now there's an o...Oh, Christopher Hitchen's now there's an objectives primary source. We'll see what it says.Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-26349669727648724352010-09-17T23:09:13.085-04:002010-09-17T23:09:13.085-04:00Martin,
You can read about it at www.tinyurl.com/...Martin,<br /><br />You can read about it at www.tinyurl.com/ratzingercoverupKyCobbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-87161359500832148172010-09-17T15:26:53.261-04:002010-09-17T15:26:53.261-04:00KyCobb,
I have already addressed these issues in ...KyCobb,<br /><br />I have already addressed these issues in the American cases. The charges there are completely unfounded, as was easily discovered by reading the actual documentation in the cases, which I did. Are you referring to these cases or those in Europe? If so, which ones?Martin Cothranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16452612266051351726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11542449.post-38585063096798027832010-09-17T14:09:25.371-04:002010-09-17T14:09:25.371-04:00Martin,
"Many of them lay the blame at Pope ...Martin,<br /><br />"Many of them lay the blame at Pope Benedict's feet when not only has he been the first to come out and take the blame for it, but, in fact, he has been the one who's been trying to clean up the mess."<br /><br />This provides an interesting contrast to the issue of what are God's one true set of immutable moral laws, since actual evidence exists to KyCobbnoreply@blogger.com